Comments on: Czech Beer and Protected Names http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/ Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:08:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: What’s in a Name? « Relentless Thirst http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-82 What’s in a Name? « Relentless Thirst Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:49:28 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-82 [...] the executive branch of the European Union granted protected name status to Czech beer. Evan Rail mentioned this possibility back in February, as it was still being debated by the European Commission, but it has finally [...] [...] the executive branch of the European Union granted protected name status to Czech beer. Evan Rail mentioned this possibility back in February, as it was still being debated by the European Commission, but it has finally [...]

]]> By: richiecdisc http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-81 richiecdisc Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:12:11 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-81 Appellation is a fancy name for control and the big benefit is for those trying to gain it. Anyone should be able to taste the difference between Victory's Pima Pils and Budweiser "pilsner" and I really doubt that Bud drinkers would even notice if Anheuser Bush removed the name from their label. I think the makers of the original Pilsener should concern themselves with returning to their traditional methods before trying to create an appellation for something that does not even exist as it once did. What ever happened to open fermentation and lagering in wooden vessels? If they are going to gain complete ownership of the name I want the exact product that was brewed when that glorious name came into use. Appellation is a fancy name for control and the big benefit is for those trying to gain it. Anyone should be able to taste the difference between Victory’s Pima Pils and Budweiser “pilsner” and I really doubt that Bud drinkers would even notice if Anheuser Bush removed the name from their label. I think the makers of the original Pilsener should concern themselves with returning to their traditional methods before trying to create an appellation for something that does not even exist as it once did. What ever happened to open fermentation and lagering in wooden vessels? If they are going to gain complete ownership of the name I want the exact product that was brewed when that glorious name came into use.

]]> By: Appellation Beer: Beer From a Good Home » Blog Archive » Beer links you shouldn’t miss http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Appellation Beer: Beer From a Good Home » Blog Archive » Beer links you shouldn’t miss Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:20:17 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-80 [...] Evan Rail writes about protected status for the term “Czech beer.” But labels can only do so much. If consumers don’t pay attention to how beers actually taste — [...] [...] Evan Rail writes about protected status for the term “Czech beer.” But labels can only do so much. If consumers don’t pay attention to how beers actually taste — [...]

]]> By: honza http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-79 honza Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:44:55 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-79 Well, may be this what we should do at our Kocour - ask Pilsnerr Urquell for permision to brew "bohemian pilsner" beer, when we can not have "ceske pivo":))). Thanx Well, may be this what we should do at our Kocour – ask Pilsnerr Urquell for permision to brew “bohemian pilsner” beer, when we can not have “ceske pivo”:))). Thanx

]]> By: Evan Rail http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Evan Rail Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:34:29 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-78 Interesting, Lew. I wonder if anyone else has ever asked Pilsner Urquell for permission. In this country at least, it's not an issue. I like Alsace, but I'm more familiar with Alsatian wines (and flammekueche) than beers. Now I'll have to go and find out what I'm missing. Interesting, Lew. I wonder if anyone else has ever asked Pilsner Urquell for permission. In this country at least, it’s not an issue.

I like Alsace, but I’m more familiar with Alsatian wines (and flammekueche) than beers. Now I’ll have to go and find out what I’m missing.

]]> By: Lew Bryson http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Lew Bryson Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:45:56 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-77 I remember being told, about ten years ago, by the then-owner of the Meteor brewery in Alsace (she was in Philadelphia launching her beer, which unfortunately went nowhere) that Meteor had applied for -- and received -- permission from Pilsner Urquell to use "pilsner" on their golden lager. No way of knowing whether it was true at the time, and I never followed up on it. Drank a lot of the beer, though, and enjoyed it. They had a pretty good wit, too. I remember being told, about ten years ago, by the then-owner of the Meteor brewery in Alsace (she was in Philadelphia launching her beer, which unfortunately went nowhere) that Meteor had applied for — and received — permission from Pilsner Urquell to use “pilsner” on their golden lager. No way of knowing whether it was true at the time, and I never followed up on it. Drank a lot of the beer, though, and enjoyed it. They had a pretty good wit, too.

]]> By: Evan Rail http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Evan Rail Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:58:18 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-76 That's nuts. I noticed the geographic limitations in the EU documentation. One would think that they would include all breweries within the borders of the Czech Republic. In that case, one would be wrong. Something tells me Pivovar Kocour Varnsdorf is going to do quite well regardless. That’s nuts.

I noticed the geographic limitations in the EU documentation. One would think that they would include all breweries within the borders of the Czech Republic. In that case, one would be wrong.

Something tells me Pivovar Kocour Varnsdorf is going to do quite well regardless.

]]> By: honza http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-75 honza Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:03:56 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-75 Well Evan, guess what. Our micro brewery Kocour, planning to have a traditional czech lager, decoction, czech hops and malt...but we can not use the term czech beer on the label? Why? Becasuse we are just outside the geographical "border" lined by the Svaz here. Varnsdorf is just too far to a real border with Germany...:) Well Evan, guess what. Our micro brewery Kocour, planning to have a traditional czech lager, decoction, czech hops and malt…but we can not use the term czech beer on the label? Why? Becasuse we are just outside the geographical “border” lined by the Svaz here. Varnsdorf is just too far to a real border with Germany…:)

]]> By: E.S. Delia http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-74 E.S. Delia Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:34:31 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-74 How about the plethora beers labeled "Belgian-style" ales, or Abbey as opposed to Trappist? Personally, I think authenticity is important, but would hope that the re-labeling wouldn't cause the average beer drinker to suddenly look down upon a beer that's actually pretty good, but has a "-style" added onto it. Strong point you made there in those last two sentences. How about the plethora beers labeled “Belgian-style” ales, or Abbey as opposed to Trappist? Personally, I think authenticity is important, but would hope that the re-labeling wouldn’t cause the average beer drinker to suddenly look down upon a beer that’s actually pretty good, but has a “-style” added onto it. Strong point you made there in those last two sentences.

]]> By: Pivero http://www.beerculture.org/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/comment-page-1/#comment-73 Pivero Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:28:59 +0000 http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/2008/02/04/czech-beer-and-protected-names/#comment-73 My mistake here!! (and a beginner's one at that). When reading malt I thought barley. Silly me. I've got nothing against this initiative, but it seems a bit half hearted. They should require 100% of approved ingredients in the recipes, no less than that. I am up for allowing more ingredients to make the list (e.g. unmalted barley), but to make it strict. But as you say, it all comes down to the consumer, and they are easily hypnotised by marketing. There will always people who will still think that Gambrinus and Staropramen are what České Pivo should be about. (Not to mention those who think Stella is a premium quality beer). My mistake here!! (and a beginner’s one at that). When reading malt I thought barley. Silly me.
I’ve got nothing against this initiative, but it seems a bit half hearted. They should require 100% of approved ingredients in the recipes, no less than that. I am up for allowing more ingredients to make the list (e.g. unmalted barley), but to make it strict.
But as you say, it all comes down to the consumer, and they are easily hypnotised by marketing. There will always people who will still think that Gambrinus and Staropramen are what České Pivo should be about. (Not to mention those who think Stella is a premium quality beer).

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